Brakes mushy with engine running
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Brakes mushy with engine running
So I just replaced the brake master cylinder on a '90 Accord (great DIY on this site, BTW). I did get an aftermarket MC from Autozone (I needed it today). The shaft on the back of the unit is the same length as the one I took out.
All went well but I needed to adjust the freeplay (what a PITA). Anyway, The pedal feels good and solid until I turn on the engine. It then gets mushy and if I push hard enough, the pedal goes almost to the floor and it feels like it's bottoming out on the MC. I adjusted the freeplay both directions, but it doesn't seem to make much of a difference. One thing I f'd up is that I didn't realize that the seal on the back of the old MC was still on the booster when I put the new MC on. Will this make a difference? When I went back and read the DIY MC removal thread, that's when I figured it out (I guess I should have read that instead of only the installation. Oops) There seems to be enough room in the end of the booster to accommodate it and the MC bolted up flush with the booster.
The freeplay thing is confusing. There is the initial play in the linkage, then about 1/2 inch before it gets a little more solid and then another point when it gets harder (all this with the engine off). I get about 1.5 inches pedal travel with the engine off. When I fire her up, then I get 2.5 - 3 inches. It feels spongy. The brakes work fine and the pedal doesn't sink like before I replaced the MC, it just doesn't feel solid like my S2000.
I tried searching for the answer, but couldn't find it. So here I am.
All went well but I needed to adjust the freeplay (what a PITA). Anyway, The pedal feels good and solid until I turn on the engine. It then gets mushy and if I push hard enough, the pedal goes almost to the floor and it feels like it's bottoming out on the MC. I adjusted the freeplay both directions, but it doesn't seem to make much of a difference. One thing I f'd up is that I didn't realize that the seal on the back of the old MC was still on the booster when I put the new MC on. Will this make a difference? When I went back and read the DIY MC removal thread, that's when I figured it out (I guess I should have read that instead of only the installation. Oops) There seems to be enough room in the end of the booster to accommodate it and the MC bolted up flush with the booster.
The freeplay thing is confusing. There is the initial play in the linkage, then about 1/2 inch before it gets a little more solid and then another point when it gets harder (all this with the engine off). I get about 1.5 inches pedal travel with the engine off. When I fire her up, then I get 2.5 - 3 inches. It feels spongy. The brakes work fine and the pedal doesn't sink like before I replaced the MC, it just doesn't feel solid like my S2000.
I tried searching for the answer, but couldn't find it. So here I am.
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Thanks guys. Tonight I'll get that extra seal out. I always check for that when I change my oil filter, but this looked like part of the booster. And I'll re-bleed the system. I hope I can get the adjustment rod back to where it was before I started adjusting it. I went both directions with it, so I don't really know where I started (dork).
The pedal freeplay is checked with the engine OFF, correct?
The pedal freeplay is checked with the engine OFF, correct?
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Tonight it's me + beer vs. the Accord. We'll see who comes out on top. I hope that once I get the brakes bled REAL good, that I'll be able to adjust the freeplay correctly using the steps in the DIY section. I wish I never would have touched it because I don't have a referance point on where it was to begin with. Live and learn baby, live and learn.
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