I agree, the killing wasnt necessary but what can we do? Seriously? That happened a long time ago, we cant bring them back. Did you or I have any say in it? No.

But still they are breaking laws. You cant just overlook that. Basically you are saying "because so many are breaking the law, we shouldnt do anything about it." correct? If you use that logic, well then, a long time ago everyone was killing Native Americans so in your thinking process that should have made it okay, correct?

Maybe this link will change your mind. As you will see, Americans DO do jobs that supposedly no one will do.
http://www.vdare.com/walker/mexico_the_rich.htm
http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed...1528-7276r.htm

or this one. Look at how they hurt Americans when we have done NOTHING to them. Mexicans think it is cool to drive drunk, but I suppose its cool to when they crash and kill people too. Or when they break into houses and threaten/kill people at gun point.

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/

How arent they hypocritical when they have one of the most heavily defended borders SPECIFICALLY to keep foreigners out, and then go crazy and get mad when we TALK about making ours stronger? How is that not hypocritical?

 

In reference to all of what you said, if you have to go somewhere illegally to have a better life, i think its rather counter productive to say they are doing whats right even if they are breaking a law of an entire country just to make their own lives better. But in the end,most of themjump the border so their family can have a better life, most of them send their money back to mexico to support their families.But im glad you ignore the fact that criminals form mexico have illegally entered america justas much as the non criminals of that country. And if a war is started because people from another country are breaking our laws I say bring it, because after innocent people are slaughtered just so they can have their way, americans will call for blood, and this time it wouldnt be 4000+ miles away from our country.
Was this country originally ours? no, but its wasnt mexico's either making the arguement that we took parts of it from them, but not arguing about who they took it from is kinda pointless, besides, a lot of them were from spain anyways.
And no of course not all country's are like america, thats why most of the world hates us, yet expects us to clean up after them. The rest of the world expects a lot from a country with the largest monetary debt in the world.

 

I love being flamed...it is so fun!

Well im not afraid of mexicans I just dont want another war.

As for hypocritical things, yes, it is hypocritical of them to do that but it is also stupid to be a jerk to them when they are trying to live a better life. They can't control what their government does. It is hard(and somewhat racist)to pinpoint the hypocrite on the mexican race. If you were to stand on the border and call every mexican who crosses that border a hypocrite, be my guest.

See what I'm getting at, you are complaining about two different bodies but grouping it as one. The mexican government is hypocritical, yes I KNOW, but their people aren't. It's almost like it is here..."America goes to Iraq" but the people don't want to go(that explains the protesters in Washington D.C.

As for criminals from mexico, I said that earlier today...

 

LMAO! Okay, now that just is hilarious to think about. haha Its be like 2 in the morning, you hear bushes crunch and whisper hyyyyyypooooocrit to them crossing the border. lmao Okay, just seems funny in my mind. But I also see what you are getting at as well. I suppose we just have different opinions.....lets the strongest man win!! (Or the fastest Accord) haha jk

I just say for all the illegals to go back, and keep more from entering illegally. Hoo rah!

 

Just curious. People seem to be saying crminals get through, and i'm sure they do, but does anyone have a statistic of what percentage of illegal immigrants are criminals?

 

Probably about the same pecentage of criminals that we have as American criminals. That may be a difficult number to come up with as well since there are criminals in the business world that never get caught.

 

lol based on asking this question 100% cause they are breaking the law already ^_-

and Trav, the thing is, theres one huge way to get into america legally and it also involve becoming a citizen..... they can join the military..... if you have to define a better life by breaking laws then you cant really say you want to be apart of the society that helps you get that better life....... besides.... you break laws to have fun, not have a better life lol

 

Ehh. You know what I meant. How many in their home country (mexico) are criminals that come here illegally.

 

I'm going to address the military thing first: You are not granted citizenship just because you served in our military. I served in Iraq with one of my good friends who's Canadian. He did 8 years in the U.S. Army, served in Afganistan, Kosovo and Iraq and when he applied legally for a greencard he was denied.... Now for the 10 million dollar question. What is required to get a greencard to become a citizen of the US?

The funny thing about the criminal comment.... if you recall about 6 months to a year ago there was a big nationwide boycott of sorts where mexicans and illegal immigrants didn't go to work and took to the streets in protest.... what came out of it wasn't a diverse affect on business in the way you'd expect.... Crime dropped roughly 8% nationwide for that day.... I'm not pointing fingers but the facts say what they say....

And like desert said if I felt that by going to a different country I could improve the life of my family, legally or not, I'd do it... Also, he mentioned it and so did I... we've gotta stop paying for all the children of illegals and then giving them citizenship, I'm not saying deny them healthcare if they can't afford it (no one should be turned away when they are having a child for lack of funding...) but I am saying, deliver the kid and ship them home, if they come back, jail them... I just had a baby and I'm still getting bills for it... I'm up to almost $5000.00 for the birth of my son and if I had been an illegal immigrant I wouldn't have paid a dime AND my son would have dual citizenship.... Now consider this, I'd bet that most people on here make close to $20,000.00 / year (pre tax) (give or take a bit) on average.... my son is 25% of that YEARLY income BEFORE taxes...

 

Here is a TRUE example of what illegal immigration dose. There are blatant facts that cannot be contested nor ignored. Coincidence it is the same time as this post!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17576996/?GT1=9145



Pa. city defends illegal immigrant law First federal trial tests local vs. federal control of immigrants [/align]The Associated Press[/align]Updated: 5:49 p.m. CT March 12, 2007


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The city had one murder in 1994 and did not have another until 2001, when an illegal immigrant was allegedly responsible for the slaying, he said. Five more killings happened in 2005 and 2006, all allegedly committed by illegal immigrants, Kobach said.In court papers, Hazleton officials said illegal immigrants were responsible for at least 47 crimes since last spring, consuming much of the police department’s overtime budget. Illegal immigrants were the subject of one-third of all drug arrests in 2005, and they have driven up the costs of health care and education, the city said.One of the first witnesses testified that the law inspired a “wave of hate” in a city where Latinos and non-Latinos previously had gotten along.Dr. Agapito Lopez, 63, a retired ophthalmologist and Hispanic leader in Hazleton, testified that he received hate mail and his neighbors were no longer friendly toward him.Non-jury trial
The judge barred enforcement of the law pending the outcome of the non-jury trial, which is expected to last two weeks. Dozens of cities and towns around the country have followed Hazleton’s lead.“This is the day we’ve been waiting for for a long time,” Mayor Lou Barletta said outside the federal courthouse. “Small cities can no longer sit back and wait for the federal government to do something.”Under the law, race and ethnicity could be used as a basis for making a complaint, as long as they are not “solely or primarily” the factor — leading the plaintiffs to claim the city was sanctioning racism. In court Monday, Kobach announced that the City Council planned to remove those three words, making any complaint even partially based on race or ethnicity automatically invalid.© 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.[/align]var url=location.href;var i=url.indexOf('/did/') + 1;if(i==0){i=url.indexOf('/print/1/') + 1;}if(i==0){i=url.indexOf('&print=1');}if(i>0){ url = url.substring(0,i);document.write('URL: '+url+');if(window.print){window.print()}else{aler t('To print his page press Ctrl-P on your keyboard \nor choose print from your browser or device after clicking OK');}}URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17576996/?GT1=9145